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【NHK】受信料「死後も請求」が話題に、遺族が悩む故人のサブスク解約の対処法 https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1655895503/ 急死した一人暮らしの親戚の遺品を整理した際にNHK受信料が引き落とされ続けていることが判明。支払いを止めて、死後の支払い分を取り戻すために悪戦苦闘をした……春先、そんな苦労をした人のツイートがネットで話題になった。 亡くなった人がテレビを見ているわけがないのに、支払いを止めてくれない。当人以外が手続きするとなると手間は本人のとき以上で、事態を収めて損失を取り戻すには膨大な書類と交渉が必要になる。遺族側からすると実に不条理な状況といえる。ただ、筆者はこの話題を知ったときに既視感を覚えた。似た事例をサブスクリプション界隈でもよく耳にしているからだ。 ■引き落としが止まった後に郵送で請求書が届くケースも 定額制サービスを提供する立場からすると、契約者が亡くなった後にいつまで請求を続けるかは判断が難しい。何しろ生死を正確につかめる手段はない。 そのため、遺族からの申請をきっかけに契約を終了するとしているケースが多いようだ。 NHKも解約の届け出があった日を解約日とすることを原則としている。遺族等により要望があった場合は住民が亡くなった日までさかのぼっての解約とする措置も個別に応じているが、それは例外的な対応だ。例外ゆえに、契約者の死亡やその後の利用状況を含む多くの証明が必要になるなど手続きは煩雑になってしまう。 しかし、口座振替やカード退会で支払いが滞った際は、請求書を郵送する形で支払いを促すケースも増えている。葬儀を終えた数カ月後に故人名義の請求書が届いたという話は、ここ数年でよく耳にするようになった。支払い滞納分を含めても数千円程度という比較的少額の請求も珍しくない。 一方で、お金の流れが滞った時点で解約とみなすケースもある。典型例はマイクロソフトだ。同社はオフィススイートアプリやクラウドサービスなどを定額制で提供している。その契約者が亡くなった場合は、遺族等が代理でログインしてサービスの停止を申請することを認めているが、IDとパスワードが分からない場合は「お客様の銀行口座やクレジットカードの停止、承認の取り消し、または銀行への通知を行うことで停止することができます」と明言している。 全文はソースでご確認ください。 https://diamond.jp/articles/-/304879 【NHK問題】何故?!障害者なのにNHKから突然数万円の請求書が届いた… https://go2senkyo.com/seijika/178686/posts/574216 【相談内容】 ●●歳から精神障害になり、それから ●● 年経ち現在はやっと仕事にも就き独り暮らしを行 っております。 仕事に就く前は生活保護だったので、当然 NHK の受信料は免除されていました。仕事に就いて、生活保護ではなくなりましたが、NHK からの連絡等は一切なく、精神障害者手帳 2級なので免除されているのだと思っていました。 しかし、今月に入り NHK から受信料を7月からさかのぼって現在までの受信料を払うよう手紙が来ました。私は区役所の税務課に行き確認を取りました。すると、私はずっと非課税だったので受信料は免除されると区役所の窓口で言われました。 その旨 NHK コールセンターに電話で伝えると、今手続きをすれば来年以降の受信料は免除されますが、7月から現在までの受信料は免除の対象外なのでお支払くださいと解答が来ました。 NHK の主張だと、仕事を初めて収入が発生した段階ですぐに非課税世帯なので免除して欲しい旨、伝えれば今回の7月からさかのぼっての請求はなかったと言います。私が免除されていると思い込んでいたのが全て悪いと言うのです。 では何故もっと早く教えてくれなかったか問うと、定期的に受信料の支払いが発生している世帯に受信料の支払いのお知らせを送付しているので、その調査の結果なので、やはり私が免除申請をしなかったのが悪く、NHK が私が受信料の免除の対象であるかは把握できないと言われました。 こんな、ずさんな調査をしている NHK は許せません。私は障害基礎年金と言う支援金をもらいながら何とか独り暮らしをしていますので、NHK に支払う余裕はありません。皆さんの年金で私は命を保っているのです。その大切な年金を NHK に払うというのは、年金を納めてくださっている方々へのぼうとくだと考えます。何の手紙もよこさず、いきなり万単位の受信料等の請求が来るのは納得できません。 続きはソースで 国営放送と呼ぶの法律で禁止します♪NHK http://nhk2.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/nhk/1564609768/ 税金と呼ぶの法律で禁止します♪NHK受信料 http://nhk2.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/nhk/1564713557/ 公務員と呼ぶの法律で禁止します♪NHK職員 nhk2.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/nhk/1564741607/ 木を隠すなら森の中。公務員を隠すならNHKの中。 nhk2.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/nhk/1604321826/ NHKを国営放送にしちゃうと年収1500万がパーになる職員が続出しちゃ~う☆ rio2016.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/koumu/1642415820/ あくまでも「公共放送」ってことでおながいしま~っす☆ 【東京】火葬費に「燃油サーチャージ」がかかる東京23区 なぜ1万円以上に? https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1684838175/ ※2023年05月22日 デイリー新潮 燃油の高騰で昨今は海外旅行にかかるサーチャージもバカにならない。ところが、東京では“あの世”に旅立つのにもサーチャージが掛かってくるのをご存じか。 「桐ヶ谷斎場」や「町屋斎場」など、東京23区における火葬の約7割を担う東京博善が、従来の火葬料金の他に燃料費特別付加火葬料(サーチャージ)を徴収するようになったのは、昨年の6月から。最初は7600円だったのが、8800円、1万200円とじりじり値上がりし、昨年12月にはついに1万4600円にまで達した(現在は1万2200円)。これに通常の火葬料がかかるため、同社の火葬場では、遺体を焼いてもらうだけで9万円近く掛かることになる。 東京23区は民間企業が大半 それにしても、サーチャージと称して別料金を徴収するのは業界の“常識”なのだろうか。 火葬場の運営などについて調査研究を行っている一般社団法人「火葬研」の武田至代表理事が説明する。 続きは↓ https://www.dailyshincho.jp/article/2023/05220556/?all=1 カスだけど受信環境のある家が建ってて受信機も残ってたらその家の持ち主に請求行くのはおかしくないような。 【NHK】受信料「死後も請求」が話題に、遺族が悩む故人のサブスク解約の対処法 https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1655895503/ 急死した一人暮らしの親戚の遺品を整理した際にNHK受信料が引き落とされ続けていることが判明。支払いを止めて、死後の支払い分を取り戻すために悪戦苦闘をした……春先、そんな苦労をした人のツイートがネットで話題になった。 亡くなった人がテレビを見ているわけがないのに、支払いを止めてくれない。当人以外が手続きするとなると手間は本人のとき以上で、事態を収めて損失を取り戻すには膨大な書類と交渉が必要になる。遺族側からすると実に不条理な状況といえる。 5歳児にマイナス5歳肌のファンデーション塗ったら死んだ 89 :ウィズコロナの名無しさん [sage] :2023/11/06(月) 14:57:35.67 ID:CxYey2il0 俺も最近NHKに頭にきたことがあった 一人暮らしの母が死んで、俺はわざわざNHK最寄り支局べ出向いて解約手続きとったのに、以降もずーっと受信料が引き落とされてた! 最近、「ここ1年分の受信料未払い請求書」が届いて発覚。 NHKに電話したら、 「確かに死亡とのことでお越しいただいた履歴がありますが、衛星放送だけ解約しました。 地上波受信料は以降も口座引き落とししてました。 1年前に引き落としが出来なくなったので請求しました」 とのこと。 まるでチンプンカンプンで、引き落とされてたという口座すら全く覚えがない。 どこの口座なのか?教えて欲しいといっても 「個人情報なのでお教えできません」。 しかも母が死んだのは7年も前だぜ! とりあ過去に遡って返金してもらうこととなり、手続き用紙に記名し死亡証明のコピーと一緒に郵送したところだった。 何故地上波は解約されなかったのか? 何故口座とやらから引き落とされてたのか? 一体誰の口座なのか? 親族が知らなかった母の゙口座だったとしても、故人口座は取引停止の筈。 なのに、しかも遺族に無断で引き落として良いのか?? NHK党がまともな党だったら、議員先生に相談し国会質問で取り上げて欲しいぐらいだ(怒り) ───引用ここまで 引用元 NHK、未契約世帯に割増金を求める民事訴訟を提起 (東京簡裁) [少考さん★] https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1699249308/89 受信料という意味不明な代金を払う契約はやらなくて結構。 ご存知の通り、契約しないことは犯罪ですらない。 公共放送は国税(及び広告収入)で運営するのが世界標準。 「合憲」NHK受信料、実はまったく不明!?徴収「お願い」困難で「特別センター」出動、最悪「訴訟に」 https://www.sankei.com/article/20171228-J2SUGLYA5ZIPTAJKTQIAKUPN3E/ ・そんなものは、どこにもない メディア法に詳しい立教大学の服部孝章名誉教授によると「放送法だけでなく、そもそも受信料が何であるか、その具体的な使用目的が何であるかなどを規定しているものは何もない」という。 つまり、受信料とは何かについては、まったく不明なのだ。 しかし、NHKは、公式サイトの「よくある質問集」で次のように説明している。 「NHKは、受信機をお持ちの方から公平にお支払いいただく受信料を財源とすることにより、国や特定のスポンサーなどの影響にとらわれることなく、公共の福祉のために、みなさまの暮らしに役立つ番組づくりができます」 ・都合のいい理屈 この論拠はどこにあるのか。 服部名誉教授によると、放送法施行後、10年以上が過ぎたところで、放送制度全体を見直す機運が高まった。その結果、64年、郵政相(当時)の諮問機関である「臨時放送関係法制調査会」が受信料に関する答申を出した。 その答申で同会が、受信料を「国家機関ではない独特の法人として設けられたNHKに徴収権が認められたところの、その維持運営のための『受信料』という名の特殊な負担金と解すべき」と定義したのだ。 服部名誉教授は「結局、それ以上議論は煮詰まらず、この答申が今なお中途半端な形で受け入れられている。受信料はNHKの維持運営のための活動費であるという、NHK自身や行政、審議をサボってきた国会に都合のいい形で残っているだけ」と指摘する。 すべてのDC、大金1円 絶対命令 42026.(untitled) 名前:; 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